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	<title>Comments on: Community Team Roundtable &#8211; March 2006</title>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://franscharming.com/2006/03/07/community-team-roundtable-march-2006/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A closed, unannounced &quot;community&quot; meeeting??? This is a horrible, horrible development -- formalizing and finalizing the FIC/SIC exclusive consultative process so that people who aren&#039;t on this mailing list and cannot get on it (like me) or haven&#039;t heard about it (like many other people, especially those new, or busy) are excluded from the &quot;community&quot; meetings. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The past meetings weren&#039;t &quot;chaos&quot; because of residents; they were chaos because Lindens didn&#039;t seize firm control over them at the start and take a consistent, fair approach to recognizing speakers under Robert&#039;s Rules. One of them was sophisticately griefed by a determined group -- it wasn&#039;t just random expression -- yet the Lindens couldn&#039;t insist on simple rules to chair a meeting and recognize speakers -- they sat there and let people type away. This is VERY wrong to set up a choir that the Lindens both preach to, and get an amen chorus from without any thinking outside the magic circle.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m sure neither Phoenix nor Gwyn thought of it, but one of the things hugely and severely affected by the messaging issue is of course rentomatics that send expiration notices. Already the last 2 patches or so broke some versions of one of the main scripts I used on the timing/messaging issue. What more is in store, hundreds of angry customers thinking they are being ripped off after paying 30 days, then getting notified that they only have 2 left? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And Flipper&#039;s idea of the blacklist is extraordinarily divisive. It&#039;s only a matter of time before residents, or Lindens, or both, merge all these lists and create master shit lists, and exclusive hierarchies filtering out all the people they don&#039;t like.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh, wait. They already did that.Prok</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A closed, unannounced &#8220;community&#8221; meeeting??? This is a horrible, horrible development &#8212; formalizing and finalizing the FIC/SIC exclusive consultative process so that people who aren&#8217;t on this mailing list and cannot get on it (like me) or haven&#8217;t heard about it (like many other people, especially those new, or busy) are excluded from the &#8220;community&#8221; meetings. </p>
<p>The past meetings weren&#8217;t &#8220;chaos&#8221; because of residents; they were chaos because Lindens didn&#8217;t seize firm control over them at the start and take a consistent, fair approach to recognizing speakers under Robert&#8217;s Rules. One of them was sophisticately griefed by a determined group &#8212; it wasn&#8217;t just random expression &#8212; yet the Lindens couldn&#8217;t insist on simple rules to chair a meeting and recognize speakers &#8212; they sat there and let people type away. This is VERY wrong to set up a choir that the Lindens both preach to, and get an amen chorus from without any thinking outside the magic circle.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure neither Phoenix nor Gwyn thought of it, but one of the things hugely and severely affected by the messaging issue is of course rentomatics that send expiration notices. Already the last 2 patches or so broke some versions of one of the main scripts I used on the timing/messaging issue. What more is in store, hundreds of angry customers thinking they are being ripped off after paying 30 days, then getting notified that they only have 2 left? </p>
<p>And Flipper&#8217;s idea of the blacklist is extraordinarily divisive. It&#8217;s only a matter of time before residents, or Lindens, or both, merge all these lists and create master shit lists, and exclusive hierarchies filtering out all the people they don&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>Oh, wait. They already did that.Prok</p>
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		<title>By: Torley Linden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torley Linden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delightful read! I reckon this is my first comment to SLOG, so it shall be well-placed. (Glad these are turned on now, hehe... thanx for the headsup For.) I hope it doesn&#039;t get deleted either... MUHAHAHA.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;First, if anyone wants a free Gmail account, email me... torley@gmail.com and I will send you one privately. I only ask it helps further your productive discussions on the list.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am hoping all this newfangled 1.9 under-the-hood tech puts an end to that problem where if you have so much as 1 Pending Upload on a region, it breaks TPs. I just had that yesterday. Concurrency is now regularly at over 5,000 Resis at once *wipes eye* and given past historical problems, it&#039;s great this will be locked in place.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have been busy on Preview sending bug reports and doing misc. testing. Each dot release of SL has had a different &quot;feel&quot; to me, like poetry. I think 1.9, if anything, has felt significantly smoother, altho I haven&#039;t been in a crowded club with avatars yet. That will surely be a &quot;real world&quot; conditional load which no dry theory can replicate, because people do crazy things--and I love that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Francis Chung put this kickass code in her Dominus Shadow so instead of rubberbanding you over a region crossing, it halts you until it can proceed smoothly over. I thot this was a new 1.9 feature at first, but since it isn&#039;t, maybe similar things should be put in more vehicles. I also swear I have heard Phoenix brought up that &quot;common experience&quot; LONG ago, but Frans, if you had a picture to go with your &quot;WTF?! moment of Zen&quot;, that&#039;d be priceless.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I of course will be rangin&#039; and bangin&#039; about better privacy controls as I know all too well what it&#039;s like. Flip did a really admirable thing in making neat what was previously sloppy. It was easy to digest and understand!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;SLEtiquette classes? What a novel (and yet, at the same time, amazingly obvious) idea. I&#039;d be all for sitting in on some of those, and helping out. We can build rockets to take us to the moon, but manners still count for a lot in 2006 AD! I see too many cases of miscommunication where one peep thinks, &quot;That dude is creepy and trying to stalk me!&quot; but it actually ends up having to do with someone who had technical difficulties and ended up not being able to communicate well. Connected to this are better controls to express oneself through the avatar. An obsession of mine.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I do not want any common thoughtlines missed, so be assured I will be picking up on everything I can and reporting it back to the Community Team. With so much going on, it&#039;s essential we nail the key points and sing the high notes.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;P.S. Those tanks were fun!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;P.P.S. The comment Preview window cuts off long comments like this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delightful read! I reckon this is my first comment to SLOG, so it shall be well-placed. (Glad these are turned on now, hehe&#8230; thanx for the headsup For.) I hope it doesn&#8217;t get deleted either&#8230; MUHAHAHA.</p>
<p>First, if anyone wants a free Gmail account, email me&#8230; <a href="mailto:torley@gmail.com">torley@gmail.com</a> and I will send you one privately. I only ask it helps further your productive discussions on the list.</p>
<p>I am hoping all this newfangled 1.9 under-the-hood tech puts an end to that problem where if you have so much as 1 Pending Upload on a region, it breaks TPs. I just had that yesterday. Concurrency is now regularly at over 5,000 Resis at once *wipes eye* and given past historical problems, it&#8217;s great this will be locked in place.</p>
<p>I have been busy on Preview sending bug reports and doing misc. testing. Each dot release of SL has had a different &#8220;feel&#8221; to me, like poetry. I think 1.9, if anything, has felt significantly smoother, altho I haven&#8217;t been in a crowded club with avatars yet. That will surely be a &#8220;real world&#8221; conditional load which no dry theory can replicate, because people do crazy things&#8211;and I love that.</p>
<p>Francis Chung put this kickass code in her Dominus Shadow so instead of rubberbanding you over a region crossing, it halts you until it can proceed smoothly over. I thot this was a new 1.9 feature at first, but since it isn&#8217;t, maybe similar things should be put in more vehicles. I also swear I have heard Phoenix brought up that &#8220;common experience&#8221; LONG ago, but Frans, if you had a picture to go with your &#8220;WTF?! moment of Zen&#8221;, that&#8217;d be priceless.</p>
<p>I of course will be rangin&#8217; and bangin&#8217; about better privacy controls as I know all too well what it&#8217;s like. Flip did a really admirable thing in making neat what was previously sloppy. It was easy to digest and understand!</p>
<p>SLEtiquette classes? What a novel (and yet, at the same time, amazingly obvious) idea. I&#8217;d be all for sitting in on some of those, and helping out. We can build rockets to take us to the moon, but manners still count for a lot in 2006 AD! I see too many cases of miscommunication where one peep thinks, &#8220;That dude is creepy and trying to stalk me!&#8221; but it actually ends up having to do with someone who had technical difficulties and ended up not being able to communicate well. Connected to this are better controls to express oneself through the avatar. An obsession of mine.</p>
<p>I do not want any common thoughtlines missed, so be assured I will be picking up on everything I can and reporting it back to the Community Team. With so much going on, it&#8217;s essential we nail the key points and sing the high notes.</p>
<p>P.S. Those tanks were fun!</p>
<p>P.P.S. The comment Preview window cuts off long comments like this!</p>
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